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Wednesday, September 26, 2007

Annies Costumes

Soon will be the holiday that i like the best Halloween. All of us like to wear costumes. Here is the place where you can buy it for the cheapest prices and with great discounts. Halloween Costumes for Everyone! Featuring low prices, fast shipping and reliable service online since 1996. Costumes available for baby, child, adult and even your pets! Customers can choose their deal: $5.00 off on orders over $30, FREE Ground Shipping on Orders over $60.00, or 10% off orders over $100.

Wednesday, August 1, 2007

About business with Indonesia - Part 2

I have experience in doing business in Indonesia since my wife owns a PT (Indonesian equivalent of Ltd. or Inc.) and we trade with my Netherlands based company regularly. As far as I know a CV (regional limited company) can't trade outside of its province, let alone import or export things. PD is local, CV is regional and PT is national/international. So is dealing with a PT a guarantee for good service? Certainly not. It totally depends on honesty of people. My experience tells me that businesses with a Chinese owner are more likely to be in it for the long term. The stereotype Indonesian businessman/woman will rather take $100 today then $1000 tomorrow and the mentality in the country is "you paid before you got the goods or service? Tough luck!". Quality is another issue as many traders will rather ship you rubbish on a trial order for that quick buck then provide quality to guarantee a long term business relationship. Going to Indonesia to take care of business is also not the way to success as you will get scammed by many as soon as you soften up for a moment or turn your back for a second. Don't get me wrong here as I love the country and I think the people are geberally very friendly and hospitable but business brings out the best and the worst in people. Micro-manage everything and don't let any part of your business be run by anyone except a trusted friend or family member in Indonesia is my advice. It's how the Indonesians do it themselves also so there is a good reason for it to be the way it is...
PT can only export with an export license. In practical terms this can be avoided or arranged by bribing the right official (in Indonesia almost everything can be bought for the right price) so it's not a guarantee either but why not ask for a copy of their export license? If they have it they spent at least a certain amount on geting it and the chances are higher that you deal with a legitimate company. I have been ripped off in Indonesia but I have also found many trustworthy people there. So please don't see all of this as a gloom and doom sort of story. Problem with Indonesia is that it's isolated and doesn't actively enforce legislation that's in place. Your rights as a consumer and trader are not as well protected yet as in other countries. Still if you want the lowest price then go to China as Indonesia can't compete (nobody can actually) with them. To get electronics from Indonesia is ridiculous as they import it from China and Singapore themselves. Anyone selling at a lower price then in China must be either stark raving mad or a scam artist.

Tuesday, July 31, 2007

How Indonesian scammers are working!

There are thousands of (Indonesian) companies listed at How many of them are legal businesses and how many is scam?

I can say that most of the businesses are decent and honest companies who are using alibaba to create customer contacts. So how is it possible that roughly 95% of the registries is scam?

The 95% are all leading to the Indonesian Internet Mafia. Well organized crime with connections to banking, military and (local) government officials.

How it works;

An Indonesian programmer earns 2 dollar per day. A group of programmers (100+) are working round the clock, setting-up websites, posting trade-leads etc. Everything is leading to the middle-man who also works at one of the thousands internet cafe's. This guy is answering your email or (if there is) phone.

Let say every programmer post 3 leads per day 100*3*365 = > 100.000 per year. 1% gets response and 1% of those who responding pay an average from $1000.= Income for the syndicate >$10,000 per day. A profitable business without any risk.

What they after is your money especial the small amounts. Who is going to Indonesia to recover $2000.=? Would you?

But what if you live around the corner? At least I will have a look before I buy I would say. Also for Criminals counts the same rule "good business is avoiding unnecessary risk. Why replying to someone who is going to check before he buys? Waste of time and risky. It's better to concentrate to people who are far away.

So from now on everyone who wants to know if a company is OK, send your enquiry to me. I will contact them on your behalf as East Java Quality Control. No answer means SCAM.

Another scammed email

When you receive such a letter, be sure they are scammers. Avoid them!!!

970eur is 1253usd
240eur is 310usd!
we are all businessman, we need to be credit and honest, we need more
clients and larger market, we need your support, we can not lose our market
just for your order, I believe, if you were me, you will not do so.
Right?if you do not receive your item, you can call the bank, and they will
frozen our account. yes, of course, i am serious, i hope you are serious
too. doing business need honesty and credit, we wil not lose our honesty
and our credit just because yourself. I think, you were me,you will not
doEMS is insured air express which can offer you tracking number, delivery
to world wide usually takes about 3-5 days. I know that you may not trust
me. i can prove i am honest. I can give you some our tracking numbers for
our other customers before. you can check these numbers here: And then you will confirm our
(EA824274955CN22nd August—?,EA824274964CN 22nd August-?,EA824937685CN
31rdJuly-France,EA823158732CN 21th August-Austrilia, EA824275001CN 22th
August-England, EA824274981CN 22th August-?)
EA783660498CN EA783660507CN EA783660250CN EA783660263CN
EA783660095CN EA783660232CN EA783660087CN EA783660498CN
EA783660507CN EA783660453CN Italy EA767945016CN
Sorry, we do not accept paypal, paypal takes too much time for me
to withdraw your money. in fact ,paypal is perfect for both sides if i
were in europe or in US. if you use paypal in europe or the USA,
you only need to wait about 3 working days to withdraw the money ,but if i
use paypal in China, i need to wait at least 40 days
to withdraw the moeny, you can call or email paypal to confirm this.paypal
is really very slow in China.

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Monday, July 30, 2007 and are scammers

I found them and their prices were really nice, so i decided to buy a laptop. I paid 600$ for shipping and handlign. Then the scammers told me, that i have to pay the custom fee another 150$. And after 2 weeks later i was told to pay another 100$ for the customs fee and i send the money. Last week i was told that the laptop was lost and there would be another one, but i never got it. is their another website...

So are typical scammers, avoid them. They are fraud.

Thursday, July 26, 2007

Cnfirstsupplier Co., Ltd or

Don't buy from them. They are typical scammers. They say, that they were established at the 1996, but their website is absolutely new. And many other aspects...

Aware of them.

Wednesday, July 25, 2007

hotmail :
email :

Don't buy from them! They are scammers. They won't send you anything.


They sell a variety of goods, mainly electrical.

Sent them 750 Euros, received nothing. They are scammers. Don't buy from them

Friday, July 20, 2007

Jiangsu Shunda Police Equipment - JJ Shunda is a SCAM Company

The company called Jiangsu Shunda Police Equipment - JJ Shunda is a SCAM Company!
If you contact them for an proforma invoice,they send you immediatly.You made a bank tranfer and they.... DISAPEARED!
No more answer via e-mail,via fax,tel,ecc.
No spedition and no money back! BE CAREFUL!IT is a FRAUD!
Complete address:
Jiangsu Shunda Police Equipment
Xingye road center-section
Jingjaing City,Jiangsu Province


The Italian,France and German Embassy start a legal action against them!

Thursday, July 19, 2007

Brand Clothing from China

Don't bother trying to import authentic brand clothing from China.

1. My company is an agent for an authorized resellers in Italy. They have 14 boutiques in Italy, Austria, Spain. They buy extra to wholesale world wide, this is how they can obtain sanitized invoices from the designer houses.

2. The terms and policy on my web site is the authorized resellers' terms and policy in Italy, I did not specify this on the site and it is causing confusion as to why my company is located in the US and yet payment is made directly to Italy, this is becuase I am their agent. I do not accept payment in the US. Due to many requests from US customers, we are stocking some items in the US for customers who wants to try out a small order before buying from Italy or customers who already are buying from Italy and want to supplement their inventory. My company accept credit card only. If I sell fakes, I will ask for a money order.

3. The average wholesale price of a small Gucci handbag, comestic bag is USD 150, medium Gucci handbag is USD300, all leather Prada is USD 400. We do not have any authentic designer handbag for USD 25. The cheapest item is Gucci key chains, USD 50.

4. My phone no. is a land line, not a cell phone. You can call and find out.

5. AOL was not free until this year. I have been using AOL before there was high speed broadbrand and have to pay for dail up by the minute in the 80's. I was paying $24.50 a month until AOl decided to switch it to free like yahoo, hotmail, etc. Even though I do not have to pay right now, I still get technical support from AOL. For people who signed up for free AOL this year, they do not get technical support.

6. I resent being acused that my company is a bridge to an Italian counterfeiter.

I hate fakes and do take responsibility, provide customers service, answer many questions, even questions on how to measure a handbag, how to write description for the handbags, how to sell the handbags. I do not have to answer many of these questions because it is not my job to teach customer who are new to this business how to sell their handbags, yet I do my best to answer all questions.

An agent is a full time job, it is not just sending in orders to Italy. It involves follow up to make sure customers are satisfied. If any customer is not satisfied with an order, refund is always given from Italy. The company I work with has been in business since 1989. If they sell fakes, they will not still be here today.

7. This is the definition of parallel import: Parallel importers ordinarily purchase products in one country at a price (P1) which is cheaper than the price at which they are sold in a second country (P2), import the products into the second country, and sell the products in that country at a price which is usually between P1 and P2.

If you think buying from the designer stores in Italy or the designer outlets at a 30% to 40% discount and ship it to the US is not parallel importing, you are wrong.

8. I do answer any question or inquiry in a very timely manner because the company I work with is an authorizied reseller of many designer brands. I know about the complexity of this business which many people do not know. For example, does any one know why there are 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 0 on a Gucci contrallato card, and if you look closely, there is a missing spot on one on the number, it can be any number. This missing spot makes the number looks as if it is not printed correctly.

Welltrades Co., Ltd

Welltrades Co., Ltd.
Contact Information
Company Name: Welltrades Co., Ltd.
Contact Person: Jason

Address: 183 Lianxiuli, Huli, Xiamen City, Fujian Province. China
Zip: 361000
Telephone: 86-592-8203878
Fax: 86-592-8203877

Don't ever buy from this guy. Trust me, stay away he's a cheat he stold $268 dollars from me really.

They scammed me out of $500USD and won't respond to my emails. They gave me fake tracking number months ago, but I never received any goods! BEWARE!!! JASON is an outright scammer!

Licheng Zhenhai Chunhui Shoes Department

Contact Person: Mr. Cathy Chen (Manager)
Company: LiCheng ZhenHai ChunHui Shoes Department
Address: 298 south, Putian, FuJian, China
Zip/Postal: 351100
Telephone: 86-594-6989899
Fax: 86-594-2593658

I was wondering how I go about reporting frauds on this site. I have been ordering from this company for a little while and they have hardly ever gotten any of my orders correct. They have been trying to tell me that if I order from them again they will send me the correct items that I ordered previously. Pretty messed up business practice if you ask me. The constantly have told me that they have sent my orders out to me when in fact they never have. I have received nothing but lies from this company from the onset and I was very foolish to continue doing business with them. They need to be reported and have their practive stopped. Anybody with any help for me please let me know.

Don't buy from them! They are scammers!

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Don't buy from them. They ar4e scammers!

Scammed by Puttian Dahai Company

Puttian Dahai Company is a FRAUD!!!! Learn from my mistake, they don't send you anything, and if they do, it is a fake replica that doesn't even work. I have dealt with them. Please do not buy from them. Do not trust them. One of them told me their name was Xu. Don't do it!!!!!!!

Don't buy from them!! They are scammers.


Please take all to your knowledge !!!

It is "no" Original International Brand Merchandise avaliable in CHINA !

All offered Mobile Phones, Electronics, Computer, Memory / Flash / SD Cards, Fashion, Handbags, Shoes, Food, Drugs and a long list of other wanted items from China are :

"COUNTERFEITS" or, "REFURBISHED" or, "USED" or, will simply "NOT BE DELIVERED" after payment !

Chinese offer this items, because Chinese Government is not able to install a effective control and the "Exporters" mostly use dubious agents to
prevent the customs control for outgoing merchandise from China !

But we see a sign at the Horizon, last week a court in Bejing, imposed the death penalty against the director of the Chinese Drug Control, because of corruption ! A good step to the future !

SO PLEASE DO NOT BUY THIS KIND OF MERCHANDISE IN CHINA, YOU ONLY CAN LOSE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY, and more, if your customs clearing discovers counterfeits, it is a criminal act and ignorance does not protect against punishment !!!

How can I confirm that they are really a Nike authorization factory?

When asking one of my reasearched suppliers based in China, whether their products were authentic. I received the following reply:

"We are an authorization factory at China to produce Nike shoes and our shoes are original with top quality. After your first order I could provide you with the authorized letter for your reference''

What type of questions could I ask this company to confirm this is not a scam and that they really are authorized to produce original Nike shoes? As it appears a little odd that they say they will provide me with an authorization letter after the first order?

FYI, the Nike manufacturer in China only produces for the China market.
All Nike distributors are not in China. / for export that is.

Nike has a lot of contracted shoes manufacturers around the world, mostly in developing countries. I believe that the factory you are contacting could be one of those authorized manufactureres BUT not an authorized sales/export channel. You should contact Nike or their subsidaries though they pricings would have kill the business before it start.


So, is it even feasable to find a legit Nike supplier? I know they are out there, but its like a needle in a haystack. Anyone know of a certain company?

Very eash, verify with Nike head office. Actually, after your message I would expect them to interfere and confirm if they have a plant in China. Most of European factories have plants in China, this is correct.

It's hard to determine whether or not a factory is authorized by Nike. I was scammed by a factory just recently saying their shoes were authentic and even showing me a letter from Nike stating it was so. Upon arrival of the goods here in the USA, it was confirmed by myself and several colleagues that the shoes were fakes and of poor quality.

They are scammers. Typical fraud website... Do not send them your money.

Awoid them.

Many people lost to much money with them.

Wednesday, July 18, 2007

They are scammers! Don't buy from them!

Aware of them, they are really scammers... Typicall and very greedy....


Tuesday, July 17, 2007


City: BeiJing
Country: China
postcode: 100021
Address: No.13-bungalow room 12 Feng Tai District Fanggu yuan

who promised to sell me a photo camera Nikon D70S at Euro 159.00 including transport charges and after my anticipate payment by western union he advanced the shipment has not been sent as local (chineese) customs blocked it because they want 30% charges moore.

I contact chineese customs and other seller in china an they say no customs duties have to be added on export goods.

This is clearly a robbery an I will do all my best to make the Italians know the danger they will meet in any transaction by e-commerce with China. I think is my duty to inform ebay, newspapers and Italian Tv information specialized programs about this matter.
First there is no transparency.
Second when we pay we have no guarantee to be saved in our transactions.
I suggest to all ebayers and other buyers don't have any contact with sellers of china.

This is the best way to save their money.

I ask ebay to delete if possible any china seller contact with our address.

Thank you

Stefano Cei

Wednesday, July 11, 2007

They are scammers. Here's their MSN and E-mail:

Don't buy from them.

They are scammers. Don't buy from them!! Aware of them! Typical Scammers

Monday, July 2, 2007

Color Picker Software! How it can help you?

How many times when you was going to make you own, profitble website about different interesting facts you was thinking about colors?? Many times! It's true. Colors at your website is very important, because all your visitors will receive devastating chromatic effect.
Many people think that Photoshop will help them to solve that problem, yes it is. But it's very expensive... don't you think so? To solve this problem, you can use the AdesDesign’s color picker tool, AdesClrPicker, that permits you, with just one click, to select the right color to use: go with the color picker directly over the color on the screen you are interested in, Make your mouse click and color picker will show you the exact color value in HTML, RGB, C++, VB and Delphi formats (last 10 colors are saved into program cache). And use it on other parts of your site to reach the perfect chromatic effect (colorpicker doen't occupy your windows bar, just a little icon in your tray)!

Color picker is sold for just $9.90 and pay via PAYPAL

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Wednesday, June 20, 2007 changed website

please be aware now changed their website to

so be aware careful.....

a says:
i want to order something from you says:

a says:
but before i do that , i hv a question about ur company
how come u guys can give very low prices to the market?
even the prices is more than half from RRP says:
can you tell me which items you are interested in #65311;
a says:
ps3 says:
We buy goods directly from the producing company,and we have set up good cooperate relationship,thus all of our goods are at a very low price.
can you tell me the item number that you are interested in #65311;
a says:
hang on
can i pay through paypal? says:
Brand NEW 240V PS3 60 GB 3 Game 1 Controller Warra
Item Number: 1333200612
Member Price: 245 EUR
VIP Price: 213 EUR

Because using the payment of PAYPAL lasts for a long time, the product that this station is cheat to take is excessive.A time just in the adjustment, during the period of adjustment temporary not accept the payment of PAYPAL.
a says:
YOU'RE lier! read this says:
The Paypal Payment makes our company plenty of goods flow out and the goods may be keapped at the custom office. Also, the transfer time of the Paypal Payment in China is about twenty to twenty five days, it is very slow. Accumulated goods is not benefit for the turnover of the company.
a says:

have u read, my buddy?
i know what are u doing,
read the last post
can u explain that?
now u can't explain anything
come on buddy, stop scamming
no more fraud
be fair if u want to make money
if u want money, work!!!
hard work says:

a says:
i bet u only understand yes and no

please be aware now changed their website to

so be aware guys.....chinese people sucks, bitch careful....."
u can't explain about this???
there are so many site talk about wdtom

hi guys the post above was my conversation with that scammer wdtom, i pretending don't know about anything, and afterwards i give this link to him,,,and after that, they blocked me ...hahahha if u read this !


Sunday, June 17, 2007

I just want to make this posting so that others don't get scammed by this company as I have. The company name is They solicited business through eBay illegally by sending a generic email announcing that they sell electronics with very low prices. Once at their website a fellow by the name of Ren Guo Fan in Beijing, China (supposedly) gives you a price (very low) and states that you must either wire money to 'his' bank account or Western Union. At the time I was very naive and fell for this scam. I never received any products just requests to send yet, more money and now I am out $2,000.00.
Hopefully, not another person will fall for scams like and Ren Guo Fan have pulled off. Don't Buy Anything From or Ren Guo Fan in Beijing, China and NEVER use practices as Western Union which has no tracking system or protection for the consumer!

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Saturday, June 16, 2007

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Here is anothers chinas scam, DON´T SEND MONEY to this people.

I lost 400€ for a cell phone. Aware of them.

Don't buy anything from them.

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Wednesday, June 13, 2007


C502-C508 Building, DALIJIA Digital Park, TaiJiang District, FuJian, China

Non reciept of goods. I ordered 10 Sony Playstation 3 game consoles. I was told they were the U.S. Version at a price quoted of $390 USD for each unit. I recieved an Invoice No. 326568800 from HeddaDigital dated 10 April with payment information for TT payment. I sent the money by wire transfer on 04/10/07 from my bank (CHASE)and they (HeddaDigital) provided me a tracking number for the shipment, the shipment was VIA EMS Worldwide Express Mail service (China Post). Tracking number provided was EA822782164CN. Shipping date was 04/17/07. The shipment arrived on 04/23/07 and it was a China Post letter envelope containing a foam rubber picture frame. Nothing else in the package. I talked to my salesman who has since quit the company, the money was transferred to his personal account, then turned over to his manager. He told me that they are a fraudulant company. They recieve money for goods and do not ship them. He told me that they switch physical locations frequently, as well as changing telephone numbers. He stated the employees also use fake names. They typically request Western Union payment. The wire transfers are sent to individual employee accounts, not to a company account to eliminate a paper trail to the owner. He would not disclose the other company employee names to me, or the physical address of the company, or even verify the phone number that is on the web site.
I have since notified the U.S. FBI, and am in the process of Notifying the Chinese Consulate in the U.S., in addition to the Shenzen Police Department.

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 SCAMMERS!

Are scammers don't buy from them..

Andrea lost from them 2000$, she was going to buy laptops...

Sunday, June 10, 2007

How To Protect Your Company From Bad China Product

We have received many e-mails from readers and phone calls from clients regarding issues arising from the recent melamine pet food tainting. We not only represent a number of companies involved with China food, we also represent many importers of Chinese manufactured products who constantly encounter quality and safety issues. To assist our clients, we developed a checklist/audit program to minimize and reduce risks associated with the health and safety issues arising from bringing Chinese products into the West.

This post is a portion of what we tell our clients and it is intended to set forth some of the things that you, as a Western business involved in China, must do to minimize the likelihood of your product harming people and to minimize your liability if, after doing everything you reasonably can to prevent a problem, such a problem occurs. Our basic theme is that when you purchase products from China you must take action to ensure the safety and quality of your product; you cannot rely on the Chinese side to do these things.

Dangerous Chinese products were entering the United States and Europe long before the Melamine pet food tainting hit the news. But that incident and those which quickly followed it (bad toothpaste being the most prominent) mean everyone is now on notice these issues are real. From now on, it will be impossible for any Western company to plead ignorance. Western companies that refuse to take proper action will increasingly be subject to to severe penalties, even including punitive damages, where such damages are available. In other words, any Western company that does nothing to assure the safety of its Chinese products and then steps into court claiming it had every reason to trust its Chinese supplier (based on faith alone), is likely to face real anger and major damages. Plaintiff's class action lawyers in the United States should be and are salivating.

And get this straight, we are not just talking about food products here, though that is the most obvious and prominent right now. If you are selling Chinese bikes, do you know whether the nuts on your seats are really strong enough to withstand a 200 pound Westerner? If you are selling Chinese electrical goods, do you know if that Underwriters Laboratory (UL) sticker is counterfeit or not? Is the plastic in your Chinese made baby item really nontoxic? Will your cigarette lighter explode? Are you certain the fake fur on your coat is not from a dog? The time for complacence is over.

Liability for damages caused by defective Chinese products is going to be huge and it is going to be vast and it is going to fall disproportionally on American and European companies. The reason for this is twofold. First, it is viewed as difficult and expensive to sue Chinese manufacturers. Second, and more importantly, Chinese courts do not give large damage awards, so the result of a tort suit in China is not likely to be attractive to U.S. and European plaintiffs. Therefore, there will be overwhelming pressure to file such suits in the United States or in Europe, with the importer and retailer as the defendants. Based on our experience in the United States, such suits will likely be heard by U.S. courts and damages will be awarded.

We recommend Western importers of Chinese goods take the following actions:

1. Know Your Chinese Suppliers. Chinese suppliers run the gambit from superb to good to mediocre to criminal. We advise our clients to thoroughly check out any potential supplier in advance. For a recent client we developed the following plan for a supplier audit. We will be retaining investigators that will make sure our client is (and will be) dealing only with high end Chinese suppliers. We will begin with a credit check. Such a check can usually be done for less than $1500 and they are often quite revealing. Among other things, such a check can reveal whether the Chinese company with whom you have contracted is in fact the factory owner, or just some broker posing as the factory owner. Does the factory pay its bills? A thriving company is far less likely to risk its reputation by cutting safety corners to save a few Yuan than a company on the verge of going under. The credit check may also reveal other Western companies to whom the Chinese company has been supplying product. What do these Western companies think of this Chinese supplier? Learning that a well regarded Western company has been purchasing product from the Chinese factory without major problems for the last five years is obviously a good sign.

2. Quality Control. It is absolutely essential the Western purchaser of Chinese product take responsibility for quality control. Most Chinese products arrive in the U.S. or Europe already packaged for retail sale, making inspection outside China cost ineffective. In these situations, a statistically valid inspection system within China is critical for proving out the safety and quality of the product. For food and drug items, the Chinese government has its own effective inspection system, but to reduce costs, many Chinese suppliers intentionally avoid the Chinese government procedures. The Chinese government itself estimates as many as 50% of the food and drug items exported from China violate China’s own export rules. It therefore becomes your job to make sure your Chinese supplier is licensed both to manufacture the product you are buying from it and licensed to export it. It is also your responsibility to make sure the product you are buying went through proper Chinese government inspection before export.

3. Contracts. All contracts with Chinese suppliers should focus in detail on safety and quality control issues. It is frankly shocking to us that many importers of product from China not only do not have a contract dealing with quality and safety issues, they have no contract whatsoever. Such businesses are simply asking for trouble under the U.S. legal system, and presumably in most European countries as well. Your contract with your Chinese supplier must be clear and specific as to quality expectations. If your product calls for 12% stainless steel, your contract should clearly state 12% stainless steel is required and anything else is completely unacceptable. The contract also must make clear your right to inspect and it should delineate responsibility for injuries and recalls. Equally important, you must do what the contract provides. If the contract states you are responsible for inspection, then you must actually inspect. The contract is not there for show: it is there to provide a procedure to be followed.
Your contract with your Chinese manufacturer can serve either to shift liability towards you or away from you.

At the same time, however, you must recognize U.S. Courts are likely to be reluctant to see an injured party walk away with nothing. Therefore, no matter how good your contract is at deflecting liability from your company, you must still not abandon your other protections.

4. History. If you have been using five suppliers for the last few years and four are good and one is problematic, dump the worst one as soon as possible. It seems every time my firm is called in to deal with a major supply problem our client says something like, "we should have known we would have a problem with this supplier." You know who your problem suppliers are and you need to replace them now before they cause even bigger problems. Ask a product liability defense lawyer whether having to deal with a bunch of e-mails from you to your supplier complaining of "continual quality shortfalls" is going to be good for your product injury lawsuit. Actually, don't bother, you know the answer as well as they do.

5. Insurance. Insurance is NOT a replacement for the above, but it is your backup. Insurance almost never covers more than your legal fees and out of pocket damages. It will not cover your time spent defending lawsuits nor will it cover your damaged reputation. Make sure you know your own situation (for example, are you a manufacturer or not?) and make sure your policy covers your situation.

6. Marketing. I represented a company whose product brochure sported a cover claiming it made the "toughest" product in the industry. Every time something would go wrong with that product (which typically cost around $250,000), the opposing lawyer would argue my client should be held to a higher than normal standard because it had expressly warranted its product to hold up better than its competition. Make sure you are not making claims about your product you cannot back up. For example, many U.S. importers claim their Chinese manufactured product is manufactured to an international standard that simply is not followed in China. Things like this just give the plaintiff's lawyer more ammunition against you in any legal proceeding.

There is obviously a lot more to protecting your company from dangerous China product than just abiding by the items we set forth above, and many of the things you do to protect yourself will be industry and company specific. But, at minimum, every company getting product from China should be reviewing at least these aspects of its business.

B2b Connections With One Of The Planet's Biggest Markets is a Hong Kong based online business-to-business commerce and auction company that has developed into a substantial resource for both Asian businesses and Western corporations. Originally designed to connect Chinese businessmen with Western buyers, Alibaba manages a bilingual format that both Chinese businessmen and English speaking businesses can use to execute trades.

It is a straightforward wholesale marketplace, where member vendors can display wares and prices. It also operates the premiere Chinese auction site, an Asian version of eBay called Alibaba dominates the Chinese ecommerce market and is a major player for some import-export markets on an international scale.
In recent years, the company has aggressively expanded its sophistication and service array. In 2005 Yahoo bought 40% of Alibaba for one billion dollars plus all of Yahoo's Chinese assets. Alibaba founder and entrepreneur Jack Ma has since then redesigned Yahoo's Chinese portal and attempted to market it as the definitive Chinese search engine. Alibaba has also developed an online funds transfer system with a Hong Kong bank, attempting to establish a tool similar to PayPal.

Recently the firm released a survey claiming to prove that product sourcing online through can cut the normal sourcing cycle by 75 percent. members say it takes about three weeks to find the right trading partner and negotiate a deal through the Web site, compared to the average sourcing cycle of 3.3 to 4.2 months.

The survey found that 56 percent of members take two to four weeks to negotiate the terms of a purchase or sale from first contact to finalized contract agreement, while 17 percent say it takes them no more than a week. The survey was conducted from June 19 to July 9, 2006, and included responses from more than 1,100 members.

Alibaba claims that it is the simplest and most effective way to find products and resources. Their membership base has reached the point (1.2 million members) that both Chinese and Western entrepreneurs wishing to engage in product sales can no longer ignore this enormous marketplace. ''We reduce the sourcing time by bridging geographies and time zones and putting thousands of products and suppliers in one easy-to-use location," said an Alibaba VP for operations.

Both Alibaba and TaoBao currently do not charge fees from buyers or sellers. That has force eBay to change its business model in China as well. Alibaba has a "premium" service that it provides to members who wish to sign on; indications are that TaoBao will adopt a fee structure at some point.

It appears that partnership with an indigenous corporation is important. Google's efforts in China are relatively recent. Yahoo has made its presence there a success by effectively turning its operations over to Alibaba. They won the battle with eBay in Japan by partnering with Softbank, a Japanese conglomerate. So while the Yahoo auction site is inconsequential in the U.S. it forced eBay out of the market before they could get started.

These are critical times for the major web players in China. Less than ten percent of China's populace has web access - however those early adopters amount to one hundred million people and many of them are businessmen. In ten years, China may be the biggest economy - online and otherwise - in the world. Alibaba has done an excellent job of staking out its domestic turf and joining forces with the entrenched Yahoo in America and Europe. They'll give Google and eBay a run for their yen.







is a scam because i want to get an ps3 and the prices are so good so i thought it may be a scam. does any one know if they are scammers...


Hey. Been talking to a guy from and he assures me there site is very real. I don't beleve him one bit. Does anyone know if this is a genuine site? I doubt it...

DOn't believe them, they are scammers!!!


Don't buy from them... SCAMMERS

Hi. I think theses are probably scam sites too. I was sent a message through Ebay offering to sell me goods at very cheap prices. Having seen scams before I searched for chinese scams on Ebay and came up with this forum. The site address is.
when you put their postal address in google it also comes up with the folowing sites which look extremely similar.
They can sell an New Aprilla 1000cc motorbike for under 2000EUR then something has to be dodgey.


hi i ordered from a website they are also a fake website i lost 500 euro.
Where do i have to call in china to get someting done about them?
Here is another fake one watch out people.

Another Ebay Scammers

HI,here's another twist to the scam.They are getting people to sell the names of the sites on ebay.Then they are sending the LINKS for sites to the buyers with messages from the so called ebay seller stating they have bought goods and recieved goods the from these sites.
If you buy any of the sites named report the sellers to ebay. is another name.
Another Scam Site they seem to follow with these sites


Hello people, yes im sad to say i have been scamed too, i should have known or been more careful but i guess there are people out there with rotten hearts, i lost £336 if that makes anyone feel better of there loss i am happy for them, but i guess its a learning and wake up point for all our truthful bayers, but dont worry nothing goes to waste my be in this life but the hearafter you will be questioned for all your wrong doings, ok i dont wont to become all religious on you good people but that came from heart. everybody please beaware of he/she can be very nice and sweet but dont fall into there trap.
thank you all so much for all your careful advise

Another Ebay Scammers

My ebay account has been hijacked and ebay have closed it down while they investigate, in my sent messages there are pages and pages of the following messages;

dear friend, we are an electron export company. we mainly sell mobile, lcd tv, gps, ps3, gps , ipod, digital camera, laptop and so on.

all what we sell come with 1 year official guarantee,and we sell at competitive price if you order in bulk.if you are interest,please contact us

It is a scam!




"Hi,this is Candy from NAP TRADE ON LINE,welcome to our website !We are the whole salersalers of electronic products like digital camera,video,notebook,GPS system,DVD player,mobile phone,mp3,mp4,etc.Besides,we can provides you famous brand shoes,bags in a very challenge price.Whatever goods you buy you would get a new IPOD SHUFFLE for free!Join us,the good service and low price...What are you waiting for?
Welcome to our

Ebay Scammers-Spammers

I think I have had more of these not mentioned yet. I too felt it was too good to be true, and seems I'm right. Look out for these, they must be the same:

When selling an item on ebay, they ask you a 'question' about your icon only it's spamming you to buy from them

They are typical scammers.

I've lost over £19,000 on motor bikes i orders off and paypal wont even give me 1% of that money back . So upset and alot of money has been lost.

Don't Buy from them.

Nigerian Scam at Ebay

Last month many people from Ebay told me that Nigerians scammed them. Here is what Nigerian Scammers usually do:

1. Firstly, They bid on your item on Ebay
2. So, They say that they are in England but have a fiance or a daughter in NIGERIA and if possible to send the goods there.
3. Then they send you a FAKE paypal email saying that the funds have been collected by paypal and if you send the tracking order of the goods that you send, paypal will deposit the money to your account.

So look carefully.

Scammers Cooperation

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BEWARE of the following sites

As they keep changing domains every few weeks it is hard to list all of the sites they operate with)

These Scammers from China pretend they are wholesalers, if you happen to send them money YOU WILL LOOSE IT.
They operate similar webpages and keep changing Domain names so they are hard to find if you do a search for scams.
They usualy approach unsuspecting buyers through ebay.
This is what they usualy say in their email.

My dear friend : Please allow us to disturb your precious time! We are the Chinese biggest foreign trade wholesaler. If you want to do business, we can offer you our most reasonable discount, making you get more profit . If you have time, please visit our website,Please relate with us, we will give you a satisfying answer .Our Web address : Our MSN: Our such as digital cameras, mobile,LCD TV, Laptops Notebooks, Digital Video,Mp4,GPS,and so on


I have lost 350 euro and im trying to save someone else loosing their money.

These scumbags should be stopped.........

Saturday, June 9, 2007

China's college graduate glut

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By Chi-Chu Tschang
June 5, 2007

With China's economy still at high speed and corporate profits and wages on the upswing, this should be a golden time to be a newly minted university graduate. After all, multinational corporations have been complaining that they can't find enough qualified people to hire. Factories along the coastal regions have been hit by a shortage of migrant workers.

But guess what? For college seniors graduating this spring, finding a job has been a real struggle. There are simply too many of them to absorb even for a growing economy like China. Just ask Yang Hanning, who will be graduating with a degree in computer science from Tianjin University of Commerce in July. He has sent out dozens of résumés and been called back for an interview for fewer than 10 companies. He has yet to receive a job offer.

"All of the jobs I've applied for are looking for people with experience. They give us recent graduates the cold shoulder," Yang, 23, laments. In fact only three out of his 22 classmates in the computer science department have received job offers so far, and none of the jobs has anything to do with their major.

Cutthroat job market

In 1977, the first year that Chinese university enrollment resumed after the trauma of the Cultural Revolution, only 4.7% of applicants, or 270,000 students, were accepted into college; a carefully managed trickle. And those lucky kids generally coasted into a stable job in a government ministry or state-owned enterprise. It was the fabled era of the "iron rice bowl" in which college grads received subsidized housing and rock-solid job security.

China's evolution since then into a more market-driven economy has also meant a far more cutthroat job market. This spring, 4.95 million seniors will graduate from colleges across China, nearly five times as many college graduates than China produced seven years ago.

"There are a lot of people in China. Everybody has a college degree and they're all competing for that one opening," said Liu Chao, 21, who will be graduating in July with a degree in computer science from Beijing Information Technology College. The joke floating around college Internet chat rooms is that college students nowadays are like cabbages: There's an abundant supply of them and their price never goes up.

Flood of unemployed

The reason universities are churning out record numbers of graduates every year is rooted in the Chinese government's decision to expand university enrollment starting in 1999. With the Chinese economy slowing during the Asian financial crisis, Asian Development Bank economist Tang Min in 1998 proposed expanding university enrollment to boost domestic consumption. China was closing down state-owned enterprises and laying off millions of workers at the time, so it seemed like a good idea to send some of the 3 million high school graduates in 1999 to college and delay their entry into the job market.

Today it is unclear exactly how many recent college graduates are unable to find a job. Since 2001, the official figures from the Ministry of Labor and Social Security (MOLSS) claim that roughly 30% of college seniors have not signed an employment contract by the time they receive their diplomas in July, which is a typical number for the U.S. and other developed nations. In China, however, that would mean nearly 1.5 million recent graduates will be flooding the job market this summer.

"The MOLSS tabulates the unemployment figures for blue collar workers and doesn't really care about white collar unemployment. College graduates are white collar. The MOLSS doesn't know how many of them are unemployed and doesn't care," said Yao Yuqun, professor at Renmin University's School of Labor Relations and Human Resources. He added that unemployed college graduates are not counted in China's official 4.1% unemployment rate.

Spoiled only children?

However there is anecdotal evidence to suggest that it is a growing problem that has attracted the government's attention. Last November, a graduate student from the prestigious Tsinghua University committed suicide because he was unable to find work. Starting last year, college graduates who have been unable to find work by Sept. 1 have been allowed to register as unemployed with their local government offices and receive unemployment benefits.

Older Chinese complain that the current crop of college graduates born in the 1980s under the one-child policy have been coddled by their parents. Unlike their parents who dutifully went to work wherever the state assigned them, this generation of Chinese are pickier about where they live and where they work.

"Some college graduates will only work if they find a good job. If it's a regular job, they won't do it," noted Sun Baohong, head of the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences' Institute of Adolescents.

Please stay home

College graduates expect to land nice white collar jobs after graduation. The reality is that China's economic growth is still largely driven by factories needing cheap, low-skilled workers churning out products for export. Hence, chief executives complain that they receive a mountain of résumés for administrative positions but are having a hard time filling openings on the plant floor.

Most college graduates have also shunned the countryside and flocked to China's major metropolitan areas, such as Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen, to find jobs. The government has been trying to entice college graduates to spend a year or two working in rural areas after graduation by giving them bonus points if they apply to graduate school later. But young Chinese say that one reason they prefer to go to major cities to find work is because they feel the playing field is more level there, unlike in the countryside where "guanxi" or connections are needed to find jobs.

Companies say that China's educational system, which stresses rote memorization, turns out college graduates who can perform repetitive tasks efficiently but cannot think "out of the box" to attack problems creatively. Often college graduates simply can't do jobs they are hired for without further post-graduate training.

Experience worth the price

A European startup working on applying artificial intelligence to business cases moved its research and development operations to Beijing last year to take advantage of the cheap cost of Chinese software programmers and found this out the hard way. It originally posted job advertisements on the Internet and hired seven recent college graduates only to discover that some of the programmers were unable to write simple computer programs.

In February the company decided to start over from scratch. This time it hired a headhunter to find programmers with 5 to 10 years of experience. Even though it costs up to 10 times more to hire experienced programmers, as opposed to hiring fresh college graduates, the decision turned out to be worth it. "Of course the salary is different but you don't have redo their work and the work is higher quality. They would probably be actually cheaper than hiring fresh college graduates," said Nicolas Piguet, co-founder and R&D manager of the startup.

To be sure, many recent college graduates are aware of their shortcomings. They cite training and room for career advancement as one of the main factors when choosing where to work. "A lot of companies neglect career training. I don't get the feeling that I would learn a lot at these companies," said Jia Zhanjie, 24, who will be graduating with a degree in chemistry from Beijing Normal University. Even though he already has a job offer, he was still trolling job fairs on the weekends to see if he could find something better.

Limiting number of students

Not surprisingly, more and more college students are going to graduate school before entering the workforce. "After I return with my master's degree, it'll be easier to find work," said Luo Binhan, 23, who graduated with a degree in insurance from Wuhan University in 2005 and has taken the past year off to apply to graduate school overseas. However in the last couple of years Chinese students with graduate degrees have also found it harder to find work.

The Chinese government has started to take steps to improve the quality of education. The central government will invest 10 billion yuan ($1.3 billion) between 2006 to 2010 in vocational and technical schools to create more skilled workers. With factories facing shortages of skilled laborers, 95.6% of vocational school graduates had a job offer by the time they graduated last year.

Last year, the Ministry of Education also began to limit the number of incoming freshmen universities could accept to no more than 5% more than the year before. The rapid expansion of college enrollment had led to a shortage of qualified professors, leading to a drop in the standards. Renmin University's Professor Yao said, "A lot of people have been complaining to the Ministry of Education that their children can't find jobs. Expanding university enrollment has lost its attractiveness."

Due Diligence For Chinese Joint Ventures

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Due diligence is an absolute must if you plan to team up with a Chinese partner. It’s a jungle out there, so be wary. This is no place to cut expenses or rush through things because a half-done job may cost you twice as much time and money later. Due diligence is not a particularly prevalent practice among the Chinese and they may have trouble understanding why you are “making things difficult”. If your prospective partner refuses to cooperate, don’t be afraid to walk away.

There are three main types of due diligence that you need to concern yourself with – financial, legal, and environmental. Keep in mind that these three inquiries often overlap.

Financial Due Diligence

Many Chinese enterprises (it is said) have three sets of financial records: one for the
owners, one for the tax authorities, and one for foreign investors. Accordingly, determining the value of an enterprise based on its financial records can be difficult. It might be necessary to carry out an independent assessment of the enterprise’s reputation, connections, and key employees.

Key pitfalls to watch out for are:

Double-dealing employees – it is not at all uncommon in China for senior management to have their own businesses that directly compete with their employer, and for these executives to use their employer’s confidential information to further their own private interests.

Corrupt relationships with Chinese government officials – this presents the risk of civil liability or prosecution, not only by the Chinese authorities should things take a turn for the worse, but also by the US authorities if you happen to be American or otherwise subject to the US Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (some other nations have equivalent legislation; check your home jurisdiction if you are unsure).

Intellectual property piracy – rampant in China.

Legal due diligence

Legal due diligence focuses on a variety of issues including contract rights, corporate authority, regulatory compliance, ownership of assets, and liabilities and claims against the target company. Issues that often arise include:

Scope of business issues – At the minimum, you should authenticate and inspect an original of the enterprise’s business license (the scope of business is listed thereon).

Contracts – whether contractual arrangements are adequately documented (or documented at all).

Ownership of buildings and Land Use Rights – Check to make sure all buildings are owned outright and all land is “granted” rather than merely “allocated”.

Intellectual property – make sure that trademarks, etc. used by the target company are either owned by it or licensed to it.

Constitutional documents such as Articles of Association – make sure that they are up to date (properly amended to reflect the company’s current situation).

Construction permits and approvals – these should be examined not only for construction in progress, but also for existing structures

Labor disputes – determine whether there are any outstanding disputes, and the level of employee morale.

Debts and encumbrances – make sure that these are adequately documented and not excessive.

Environmental Due Diligence

In a nutshell, you need to know whether your partner’s site environment or your FIE’s proposed site environment has been contaminated (contamination of your Chinese partner’s site could affect its financial stability even if it is not used for the FIE).

Thursday, June 7, 2007

I received the letter from the mr. Wayne McMahon so that's what he wrote to me:

I had problems with this Company and paid for goods via western union.Cheap prices but scammers.
You can chk this out and add to list if you want.
As soon as the money was picked up no more contact from them and no replys by email.


Tuesday, May 22, 2007

They are typical SCAMMERS!!! Don't Buy from THEM!!!

Thursday, May 17, 2007

Dangerous Chinese "Sellers"

One eBayer has already written a note about these but last night there was a spate of these crooks on eBay, mainly selling coins, totalling more than 100 items.

Experienced buyers often recognise these crooks but not always and the crooks are becoming more devious; so I have decided to write this guide to help you recognise these crooks and avoid financial loss.

Their current strategy is to create about 10 fake accounts, sell to these accounts and then create the illusion of a positive rating of 10. As far as payment is concerned, they used to use the Western Union trick - you can never get your money back - NEVER use Western Union. However, they are now using PayPal who will take no action to close these accounts - I know because I phoned them and they were simply not interested. So, you may or may not be covered by PayPal.

You should next look closely at what they have supposedly sold and then ask yourself whether it makes any sense that they are now selling a plethora of rare coins.

These listings are usually for one day only - a practice that a real seller would not use as it would limit the number of bids likely to be received. These crooks use this because eBay Safe Harbor is so hopelessly slow that the crooks do stand a real chance of succeeding with their theft.

Many of these listings also offer a ludicrously cheap Buy It Now option - again, you have to ask yourself "would a real seller need to do this?"

If bidding has got under way - often these crooks are so incompetent that the listing is laughable and is ignored by everyone - look at who is bidding and look at their track record from their feedback. Even knowledgeable people can get caught but generally, you will notice that the regular bidders are not bidding for these offers.

Sometimes these crooks manage to match their incompetence with their enthusiasm and you will see them offering the same rare item in several different listings!

Often a search for the item on eBay will also find you the original listing that was stolen by these crooks and you will be able to see from the photographs that these have been stolen.

If you are suspicious, you can always try to contact one of their so-called previous buyers and another technique is to ask for a new picture of the item. A real seller will invariably oblige.

As of today, 11 July 2006, the crooks are back and this time, they are using a zero rating instead of constructing 10 or so fake positives. My opinion now is that you should not buy coins from ANYONE in China who is not yet established and is showing a low or zero rating - there is almost certainly nothing there for you.

If you do discover this activity please help others as I do by telling them of the fraud, before they part with their money and also pester eBay to get them to remove the fake seller.

Summary and Conclusions

  1. Look at the seller's payment procedures

  2. Look at the seller's feedback and ask yourself whether it makes sense.

  3. Look at what they have bought and sold - can they possibly have the items they are offering for sale? If they have more than one of a rare item, they are almost certainly crooked

  4. Ignore one-day listings

  5. Ignore offers with unnecessary and cheap Buy It Now options

  6. Look at the background of the bidders. As a general rule the experienced ones can spot these frauds

  7. Do a search for the item on eBay - they are often still available for sale from the real seller

  8. Contact previous buyers to check out the seller

  9. Ask the seller for new pictures of the item or items for sale

  10. Simply, do not buy from new or very low rated Chinese sellers

  11. Help other eBayers by reporting the fraud to eBay and by emailing the unwary bidders

Finally, you can get bargains on eBay but ask yourself whether the bargain makes any sense to you before you part with your money.

Internet SCAMMERS!!

Recently i got a few emails from some guy i never knew (An email address id never seen before) Saying all this crap about how he wants to do business with me because he works in a bank and some guy died and he wants me to inherit 23 million dollars. Well heres the emails anyway (Quite a lengthy read.)

Email 1:

Ref: Seeking for your permission for a business discussion

Dear Sir,

This contact is being made to you out of the increase need. Ostensibly, this may some what aroused some kind of surprise and suspicion both by its source, method or channel of transmission. It may also, be seen unjustifiable based on rules of certain values, but certain concerns and considerations, and has increased quite immeasurably and contemptuously in me, hence my approach.

Your contact details was given to me by a tourist from your country who was here In South Africa on holidays with his family, though I did not disclose the nature of business I am about to discuss with you to him, based on the fact that the discussion is confidential. With the little knowledge of who I am, I wish you could permit me to discus/disclose to you a very important lucrative business offer.

I am Dr Phil Luis Wright (K.S.J), an accountant by profession; I was born in the year of the lord on 26th June 1957 in Mpumalanga in western province Republic of South Africa. Happily married with three children. I am a top executive director with one of the world biggest financial firm here in South Africa. Kindly inform me your private phone and fax number where I can reach you with the details of the deal.

Expecting your urgent response. Hoping that you will grant me the opportunity to discuss with you. I can be reached through the above phone and fax or email only.

Thanks and remain bless

Best regards

Dr. Phil Luis Wright.

I asked him how he got my email address. He didnt answer my question but then sent me this email.

Email 2:

Dear Sir,

Thanks for your reply and granting the permission to
discuss my proposal with you. I am the African Regional
manager of HSBC Private Banking Sector, 322 Oxford Drive,
Sandton-Johannesburg, South Africa. What I wish to relate
to you will smack of unethical practice but I want you to
understand something. On June 6, 2003, Mr. Dudley Roy a
citizen of Netherlands and also an Oil merchant came to our
Bank to engage in business Discussions with our private
banking Division. He told us that he had a financial
portfolio of Twenty Three Million Seven Hundred Thousand
United States Dollars ($23.7M), which he wished to have us
turn over (invest) on his behalf. Based on the investment,
we spun the money around which with accrued profit and
interest Stood at over Twenty Seven Million Five Hundred
Thousand United States Dollars ($27.5M). In December 10th
2004, he asked that the money be Liquidated because he
needed to purchase an Oil block requiring cash Payments
from the royal family in Riyadh, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

He directed that we should liquidate the funds and Have it
deposited with a Security firm in Cape Town, South Africa
for onward delivery to him in Saudi Arabia. We informed him
that our Bank would Have to make special arrangements to
have this done and in order not to Circumvent due process;
the bank would have to make a 9.5 % deduction from The
funds to cater for banking and statutory charges.

He complained about the charges but later came around when
I explained to him the complexities of the task he was
asking of us. I undertook all the processes and made sure I
followed his precise Instructions to the letter and had the
Funds deposited at the Cape town based Security Consultancy
firm, Mr. Dudley Roy told me he wanted the money there in
anticipation of his arrival from Beirut later that week.
This was the last communication we had, this transpired
around 11th February 2005, we got a call from the security
firm informing us about The inactivity of that particular
portfolios. This was an astounding position as far as I am
concerned; given the fact that I managed the private
banking sector I was the only one Who knew about the
deposit at Cape Town based Security Firm and I could not
understand Why Mr. Dudley had not come forward to claim his

I made futile efforts to locate Mr. Dudley no success, one
weeks later, information started to trickle in, apparently
Mr. Dudley Roy died along with the ex prime minister of
Lebanese (Mr. Rafiki Hariri), A person who suited his
description was declared dead in Beirut bomb blast that
kill the ex prime minister on 16th of February 2005. The
Security firm immediately launched an investigation into
possible Surviving next of kin to alert about the situation
and also to come forward to claim his estate.

My proposal: Myself and the director of the security firm
will place you in a position to inherit the deposit, we
prepare the legal documents binding as the relation
attached it the file to Mr. Dudley. I assure you that we
could have the deposit released to you within a few days. I
wish to link up some one with strong characters who I can
trust and enter into an understanding with and some one
with good knowledge of investment to administer funds into
business. This should be done under none-disclosure and
none circumvention framework. Upon your confirmation to
assume the next of kin, I will detail you the terms and
procedure. I am aware of the consequences of this proposal.
Please, if I can have your confidence, trust and
understanding in this matter, I will be glad to have you
contact me immediately. This is not a case of money
laundering of illicit funds. I ask that you do not be
vindictive and destructive. If my offer is of no appeal to
you, delete this message.

Await your urgent confirmation.

Dr. Phil L Wright

I then sent him another email asking why he chose me and why he didnt answer my last question, he then sent me a 3rd email.

Email 3:

Dear Sir,

Thanks for your mail and your interest in my proposal.
How are you today? Hope all is well ok with you over there.
I believed that you do understand my explanation regarding
this transaction. I have investigated all the areas
regarding this deal and perfected every internal
arrangement to see that the deal will
Be a very successfully. Due to my position in the Bank I
don?t want to disclose this transaction with anybody here
in South Africa.

Before proceeding, I would like to re-assure you of the
risk-free of this transaction, this transaction have been
carefully drafted in such a way that it will not harm both
of us in any way or destroy our personality during and
after. All I need from you is 100% assurance that you will
not disappoint us after receiving the money into your bank

This money does not originate from any form of Drug or
Terrorist activities and it will not attract such or any
questions from any authority when transferred into your
Bank account, all the documents will be arranged perfectly
by us down here as already
been worked it out already.

Regarding to the details of the transaction, I could only
details you what will be the procedure on the processing of
the transaction upon confirming the following below
information from you. You are advice to answer the
under-listed details to me immediately you receive this

(1) Your full name and address

(2) Your Company's name, address and your position if any

(3) Your direct telephone and fax numbers

(4) Your Country of Origin.

(5) Your Age, status

(6) Investments ideas you will recommend for the funds.

As soon as I receive the above details from you I will
forward to you the full procedure of the transaction and
every other thing that is involved including the sharing
terms. Call me upon receipt of this mail.

I am waiting for your urgent response.

Best regards

Dr. Phil Wright

At this point i knew it was deffinatly a scam because he started asking for my bank details and phone number etc. I then asked him for a name of ther person who gave him my email addres and he replyed with this.

Email 4:

Dear Sir,

I do not wish to waste your time or my own time, if you are
not comfortable in working with me kindly let me know so
that i can look for another person,

You may be thinking that what i related to you may be a
kind of joke, it is not and i will not be a something you


I then told him to get fucked and to learn to scam better.

Has this ever happened to anyone else? I bet that probably would of fooled me like 2 years ago when i 1st got my computer. Its shocking to know theres guys like this doing shit like this all the time...

Renzo Electronic Co., Ltd

Renzo Electronic Co., Ltd.Jl. Jend. Sudirman 453B
Yogyakarta 55223 D.I.Y
Tel : 62-274-7836701 , Fax : 62-274-7836702

The first thing I checked was their alleged company's address: Jl.
Jend. Sudirman 453B, Yogyakarta 55223. This address is fake. First,
because the correct post code for all houses in that street with
numbers 38 and higher is 55224, not 55223. Second, because there is no
house number 453B in the Jenderal Sudriman Street in Yogyakarta. The
numbers in that street don't go further than to the 80s. A company
that provides a fake address on their website can't be trusted.

And there is more: They registered their Web domain using the same
fake address (completely omitting the post code), and with an equally
fake telephone number: +001.81332777258. The +001 would be the country
code of the USA or Canada. That is, of course, more than unlikely for
an Indonesian company. And the number behind the country code does not
even comply with North American telephone number schemes, it has one
digit too much.

Furthermore, the domain was registered only on 24 June 2006, and will
already expire on 24 June 2007, after just one year. Since this
"company" claims to exist since 2004, it would mean that they waited
for 2 years before they registered their domain, which is very hard to
believe. Again, this is one of the typical short-lived, "disposable"
domains scammers usually register for their fraudulent activities.

By the way, "Co. Ltd." is not a valid Indonesian legal form of a
company. It was certainly chosen to impress potential victims from
English-speaking countries, who are obviously the target group for
this scam.

I recommend not to trust Renzo Electronic and not to do any business with them.

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